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Kyra Maverick
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:28 pm    Post subject: Help Making A Grid Reply with quote

So far, all the sprites I've done have been pretty small and simple. One of the reasons is because I dont know how to make a grid that so many of you seem to be able to make.

I have Photoshop but not MS Paint. I only know how to enlarge a picture. Rather illiterate, I know. I tried to follow Oobgarm's tutorial, but I suppose my main problem is that I dont know how to copy and paste in Photoshop.

Any help please?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you on PC or Mac?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PC is the way to be.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All you do is this:

Make sure to save my grid to your computer.

Open your sprite image with Photoshop. It should tell you that your sprite is in 'indexed' color. Resize your sprite to 800%.

Once you resize, go under Image>Mode and change it to RGB. This allows you to add layers to the image. Leave the image open and ready for use.

Open the grid image I made. Go under Select>All, then Edit>Copy.

Go back to your sprite image, and go under Edit>Paste. This should paste the grid on top of the sprite. You can then move it around to line it up.

If you follow those steps, it should work out fine.

Also note that there are keyboard shortcuts for the three select/copy/paste commands if you're more comfortable using them.

Select All: Ctrl+A
Copy: Ctrl+C
Paste: Ctrl+V
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you both for your help. I've got a bunch of free time tomorrow so I'll give it a try.

Thank you again.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the way I do it, which seems easier. Go to Edit > Preferences > Guides, Grids.

Under Grid put Grid line every 29 pixels, subgridlines 29 per grid. Same size as a board, and you can make the lines different colors.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the good news is that I was able to do it right the first time. However, since then when I paste the grid to the sprite and try to line it up, the whole sprite moves with the grid. I'm following Oobgarm's directions exactly, but it only worked the first time I tried it.

Any ideas?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never made a grid before, but I have a random idea.
Try opening (pasting, whatever it is you have to do) the grid as a different layer. Then you can move whichever you prefer (either the grid or the sprite) to line them up.
I would make the grid the second layer so that it will stay on top. Otherwise, you'd have to figure out how to "move layer to top" which I couldn't really tell you how to do without opening the program and playing with it for a second because even the different photoshops are a little different.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I figured the layering was my problem. I've tried with both the grid and the sprite set to 'RGB' and then just the sprite set to 'RGB' but it still doesn't want to let me move the grid layer separately from the sprite layer.

I've got Photoshop 7.0. It came this computer when I bought it used, so I dont have any discs or instructions for it. Not that instructions would help as I'm sure the book would be about a 1,000 pages.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would open the sprite as a file & the grid as a file then copy the grid & paste it in the already opened sprite file as a new layer. This works in my photoshop (Elements 5.0). For me, it only moves as one layer if you do the "flatten layers (or image.. whatever it says)" option.
Crazy computer programs. Why can't they all be as simple as MS Paint?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kyra Maverick wrote:
Yes, I figured the layering was my problem. I've tried with both the grid and the sprite set to 'RGB' and then just the sprite set to 'RGB' but it still doesn't want to let me move the grid layer separately from the sprite layer.


Two suggestions:

1. Make sure the layers aren't linked together somehow. If you see a little chain link in the layer box, remove it.

2. Try adding a new layer to the sprite before you paste in the grid. You can either hit Ctrl+Shift+N or go under Layer>New>New Layer.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea that.
Haha that's what I was trying to say, but they said it MUCH better.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use GraphicsGale free edition for converting images to sprites. It has a grid built in along with a second level grid you can customise and make 29x29. This bit of software probably deserves its own thread but I couldn't find the best place to start the thread. If any mods agree and point me in the right direction I will do it.

You can d/l it here. The full version includes support for importing/exporting gif images. The free version is more than adequate for editing sprites for beading though. http://www.humanbalance.net/gale/us/
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, after ignoring the problem for quite a while I finally decided to try messing with it again. The problem wasn't that the layers were linked but that I was using the wrong tool to move the layers around. The Hand tool likes to grab everything together, not one layer at a time.

Thanks for all your help!
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