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spires



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:55 pm    Post subject: Hello spriters! Reply with quote

Hello all! I'm James, and I'm new here. I've been interested recently in creating definitive digital color palettes for everyone to use. The more I research, the more I learn and integrate into my approach to beading.

I have a few tips regarding indexed color and photoshop tricks that might be very helpful for the group. I've been lurking and wondering if some techniques I have discovered, you know as well.

Also, I've been involved trying different methods for preventing 'curl' for large bead works. I'm actually in the process of designing a full screenshot piece for a wall mural, which is very exciting!

I'm glad that this forum exists! It's a very helpful place.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, James. I'm Rose. Welcome to the forum! I'm sure I'm not the only member of this forum who is a "color junkie" and would appreciate anything you'd have to offer in the realm of definitive digital color palettes...

I'm looking forward to seeing some of your work. Razz
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spires



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:29 pm    Post subject: something I'm working on. Reply with quote

Hi Rose, thanks for the welcome. Here's a palette I'm making.



if someone can host it, I'll send the downloadable indexed swatch file with the hex values and color names attached.

I'm also open to suggestions.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the forum. I hope you are posting some bead pictures:D
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, James:

I'm extremely excited about the indexed color system you are developing. If I may add my two cents:

When I first started trying to establish my definitive Hama/Perler color palette, I amassed a supply of every color bead Hama and Perler produces (to the best of my knowledge) including hard-to-find Perler colors that only come in mixes and are not available as individual colors. I then critically compared the colors in sunlight, and solicited the opinion of my 19-year-old daughter whose eyes have been on this earth for a significantly shorter time than have mine. I eliminated colors that seemed identical or identical enough that the slight difference in hue and/or tone would not be appreciable in a finished piece. Next I made a 9-bead square ironed "swatch" of each color. It was then that I noticed that some beads "took on" a different color when ironed. So I started all over again, this time comparing ironed "swatches" of every Hama and Perler color. Sure enough, some colors that appeared identical or nearly identical when unironed were substantially different from each other after ironing, and vice versa. Based on this, I have my current bead palette. If you're interested, I'd be happy to list the solid colors I now use.

I just wanted to give you this information, because I don't know if you are using ironed or un-ironed beads in your analyses.

Keep us posted! I'm very excited about what you are doing, as it is akin to what I had in mind when developing my palette, but clearly takes this more than several steps further using computer tools that I am not familiar with using (and don't currently have the time to learn!)

Thanks,
Rose
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Logicaly
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, while I am good with computers, its a bit early for me to understand what your doing, and I came across your other thread involving this as well.

What in a more simple version please for my still asleep brain, will this indexing do for us?

Because it seems like a good idea. If I am not mistaking, will automatically recolor things for us? I would be interested in learning more about this, and seeing how it works, etc.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, here is a quick run-down. It does make it a nearly automatic process.

First, let's start with Chrono.



Then, you just choose "Indexed Color" in Photoshop...



Then, using some palette that you came up with before-hand (I think mine still needs some work, or I'd offer a download)...



You choose your indexing options...



That dithering method is a matter of taste and largely depends on the piece you're indexing. On Chrono, it happened to look alright and sort of added more "detail", whereas on large areas of a solid color, dithering can look flat-out terrible.

Here is a comparison of at least Chrono. It's not technically as faithful in terms of number of colors, or the layout of each pixel, but, the end-result (from a distance) will look more faithful to the original:



Assuming your palette is a good one and represents the final melted bead colors well, Photoshop can do an excellent job of coloring your sprites. Diffusion isn't the only dithering method in that list, and depending on your needs, all of those things can be a huge help.

Of course, there may be a little big of manual work involved if you go that route. For example, I might using dithering, but then manually correct his eye so that it was just two pixels of white instead of two different colors. But those are minor touch-ups and Photoshop is doing the majority of the work.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats is so simple to color match but so awesome. soon as you think your pallette is good lets us know.
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