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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:21 am    Post subject: Colors you wish for Reply with quote

I thought we had a topic like this, but I can't find it so maybe I hallucinated it!

It comes up a lot, so let's poll the masses: what absent bead colors do you wish for the most?

I myself wish for a light grey, between white and regular grey.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I second that! More shades of grey please!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definately more shades of gray.

And a DARK RED! Like a maroon shade. Not that rust color. An off white, like a cream, would also be nice.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perler does carry a cream color - or at least, Hama does. As far as dark red, Hama carries a darker red than Perler's, and a Burgundy, which is significantly darker than both of them

I'd personally like to see more shades of green. Right now, they only have Green, Bright Green and Kiwi-Lime as pure green shades, then they have Pastel green which works instead of Kiwi-Lime, and the Parrot Green and Light Green, which are both blueish greens that don't work so well with the others.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I personally don't want to have to buy Hama and mix them, but that's all good.

More green WOULD be nice. I find the parrot green nearly useless. A lighter shade of lime-kiwi green would be ideal for some of the projects I'd like to attempt.

The purple isn't so good either. Only two shades, and so different from one another that you can't do shading well.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perler does have a cream, it's called Creme I think.

Hama's Dark Red is ridiculous, it's translucent and so close to regular red as to be indistinguishable. Most disappointing color ever!

Hama's Burgundy and Army Man Green I've found good uses for, but they are so dark they're almost black. There's such a huge difference between them and the next colors up in the spectrum.

Man, more purples would be awesome. Some bluish ones, AND some reddish ones. Just a couple would make me happy.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

perler does make a cream i just ordered 1000 of them. i want more purple, and more brown. well anymore colors would be good as long as they are not transparent.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bad. I've been told by like four people now Smile

I notice no one is too concerned with a range of oranges Razz

If they'd just do all the combinations in the spectrum, that'd be cool. Red orange, orange, orange yellow, yellow, yellow green, etc. I know, I know, some of those they already have, I'm just saying, if all of those were represented, you know?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

your right so more orange would be nice. i also think it would be cool to have some blacklight sensitive ones. not just the glow in the dark ones but at least the basic rainbow.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't tested this theory yet, lacking a blacklight, but i'd bet that the fluorescent or neon colors show up nicely under a black light. And pretty much anything glow in the dark or light, like the regular white, would also show up nicely under a black light.

It would be nice if they had a good range of color wheel shades, but i suppose then they'd need to have at least three shades of each primary, secondary and perseary color.



Let's say you take each of the twelve colors above, and create 3 more shades of each. Already, that's 48 colors and still no greys. Add them in for a total of 52, then add white and black for 54, and we're still missing browns, pinks, etc. They would bring the total to something more like 60, and we'd also have an excess of blues and oranges/yellows. Then they would have to drop a shade here and a shade there (which is probably what they did before, hence so many inconsistancies). All those shades would be bridging some gap between other shades, so simply removing them would cause those inconsistancies.

If you think about it, every color on the color wheel is represented by some shade that Perler carries. Starting from the top and working our way clockwise:

Yellow, Cheddar, Butterscotch, Orange, Red, Purple, Blue, Neon Blue, Light Blue, Parrot Green, Green, Kiwi-Lime.
They're not exact, but they're sorta there.

Honestly, I think the best approach to an optimal palette isn't neccessarily to go by a color wheel, but more like a set of Prismacolor markers, go by percentages.

For example, right now, Perler carries 4 shades of grey, technically, but two of those shades aren't grey at all - one is black and the other is white. So that's 100% grey (black) and 0% grey (white). Then they have a 50% grey, and their newer Dark Grey is about 85% grey.

Instead, their shades should be:
White, 25%, 50%, 75%, Black.
That would work nicely. Or, if they're feeling generous:
White, 20%, 40%, 60%, 80%, Black.
This would work nicely with their current scheme.

Their blue shades are fine, as Neon Blue (believe it or not) is a good shade in between Dark Blue and Light Blue - then Pastel Blue and Toothpaste bridge the gap between Light Blue and White.

Basically, they should have each general color, then a number of shades to bridge the gap between the color and black, and the gap between the color and white. It just seems to make sense to me. here's an example of what I'm talking about below:



47 colors there...did I miss anything? I did consider a range of aqua-marine blues, or something...that would still bring the total to only 53.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would be an excellent palette Doc, though I'd add in, as you say, some aquamarines/turquoises, and also skin-tones (which are quite well covered atm by Perler's, though perhaps an extra shade would be handy). And maybe split the violet down into more or a pink and purple, but that MAY be a tad overkill, dunno.

Oh, and Clear! ;)
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clear they have already. That one I DO know Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will say I use Neons a good bit in highlighting the really dark colors especially the Neon Blue. It looks great ironed as long as it doesn't have light behind it Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really notice what colors are lacking until I start a project that needs something just a little different, and I've only recently begun the hobby. But already, I've been needing a dark red, dark purple, and as everyone's said, more grays.

I may have to check out Hama's Burgandy. Does anyone know somewhere to get Hama beads in the US that isn't outrageous?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gamer Grrlz wrote:
Clear they have already. That one I DO know Smile


And useful it is from time to time. ;)

Totally OT:
/me notices the latest member of the forum.

Looks like someone else from Spain on board. ;) FIIIIIIIBERRRRRRRR-GRÁN!

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist. ;)
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neon Blue for shading? I've been disappointed by the results. I used it on a Sonic sprite and it was far too dark, and sort of translucent besides. Hama's Light Blue, however, is perfect, fits into the spectrum evenly. I've been trying to convince callahan13 to start carrying it.

I like Doc Oc's "prismacolor" system -- THAT makes sense.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used Neon Blue on my Jin Sprite for Namco X Capcom and I think it turned out fine. I also don't use Hama, so I work with what Perler has Razz

I also agree with Kassidy that clear can be a savior on some projects. Especially when you are doing auras or smoke (like my Bianci) where stuff two larger pieces are held together by on single bead/pixel.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colors that dont need to exist = any glitter color. 98% of the time, you cant even tell there's glitter in it after it's ironed.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kyra Maverick wrote:
Colors that dont need to exist = any glitter color. 98% of the time, you cant even tell there's glitter in it after it's ironed.


That sucks, 'cause it would be nice to use a black or dark blue one with glitter in it to simulate a night sky.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the glitter never really did it for me...maybe for other craft projects, but as far as beading sprites, it does nothing for me - and that's coming from a guy that is trying to milk these beads for all they're worth, haha. I'm going to send that woman from Perler another email asking for an update and how I can get involved in this lobby!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Light grey tops my wishlist, as well.

I'd also really like to see some shades in the olive green/non-metallic gold color areas (colors used a lot in A Link To the Past). I just noticed, while typing this, that Doc's color square chart, above, has these shades on the bottom row. Laughing

A burnt orange (split the differene between orange and rust).

A blue that's a little lighter than dark blue currently is, and a green that's between Perler's dark green and Hama's army green.

Perler colors similar to Hama's dark red, burgundy, and flesh.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NES--still-the-best wrote:
A blue that's a little lighter than dark blue currently is


Perler's Neon Blue works nicely between Dark Blue and Light Blue. I use it all the time.
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